Committee Confirms: Comply With Pelosi-Care Or Go To Jail
by Publius
From the House Ways and Means Republicans:
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Today, Ranking Member of the House Ways and Means Committee Dave Camp (R-MI) released a letter from the non-partisan Joint Committee on Taxation (JCT) confirming that the failure to comply with the individual mandate to buy health insurance contained in the Pelosi health care bill (H.R. 3962, as amended) could land people in jail. The JCT letter makes clear that Americans who do not maintain “acceptable health insurance coverage” and who choose not to pay the bill’s new individual mandate tax (generally 2.5% of income), are subject to numerous civil and criminal penalties, including criminal fines of up to $250,000 and imprisonment of up to five years.
n response to the JCT letter, Camp said: “This is the ultimate example of the Democrats’ command-and-control style of governing – buy what we tell you or go to jail. It is outrageous and it should be stopped immediately.”
Key excerpts from the JCT letter appear below:
“H.R. 3962 provides that an individual (or a husband and wife in the case of a joint return) who does not, at any time during the taxable year, maintain acceptable health insurance coverage for himself or herself and each of his or her qualifying children is subject to an additional tax.” [page 1]
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“If the government determines that the taxpayer’s unpaid tax liability results from willful behavior, the following penalties could apply…” [page 2]
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“Criminal penalties
Prosecution is authorized under the Code for a variety of offenses. Depending on the level of the noncompliance, the following penalties could apply to an individual:
• Section 7203 – misdemeanor willful failure to pay is punishable by a fine of up to $25,000 and/or imprisonment of up to one year.
• Section 7201 – felony willful evasion is punishable by a fine of up to $250,000 and/or imprisonment of up to five years.” [page 3]
When confronted with this same issue during its consideration of a similar individual mandate tax, the Senate Finance Committee worked on a bipartisan basis to include language in its bill that shielded Americans from civil and criminal penalties. The Pelosi bill, however, contains no similar language protecting American citizens from civil and criminal tax penalties that could include a $250,000 fine and five years in jail.
“The Senate Finance Committee had the good sense to eliminate the extreme penalty of incarceration. Speaker Pelosi’s decision to leave in the jail time provision is a threat to every family who cannot afford the $15,000 premium her plan creates. Fortunately, Republicans have an alternative that will lower health insurance costs without raising taxes or cutting Medicare,” said Camp.
According to the Congressional Budget Office the lowest cost family non-group plan under the Speaker’s bill would cost $15,000 in 2016.
http://biggovernment.com/2009/11/06/committee-confirms-comply-with-pelos...
Alexander McQueen
Holy Crap! Why isn't this is the news? Seriously...they are ignoring this.
1It's difficult to imagine what is happening without thinking it must be a joke: if this isn't some kind of a liberal plot, then I have every right to my new-found paranoia.
2I am so confused why this would be in that bill....what sense does this make? I wish someone could explain to me why they think this is a good idea....
3I think many people are going to start having reality checks where they will then find merit to paranoia I just hope it isn't too late.
4Martini, why do you think they want to push this monstrosity through the house ASAP?
5Dirty deeds done dirt cheap...squeeze it under the door, stamp it with their approval and then point fingers at each other to place blame when they realize that anything done in such haste is simply a big waste.
6My point is that I don't understand why they couldn't have all the same legislation, but leave out the fines and punishments part. Why do you have to force people to do something - if this legislation really makes getting healthcare that affordable and easy, why do they need the punitive part?
7Why do you have to force people to do something - if this legislation really makes getting healthcare that affordable and easy, why do they need the punitive part?
My thoughts exactly!
8"My point is that I don't understand why they couldn't have all the same legislation, but leave out the fines and punishments part. Why do you have to force people to do something - if this legislation really makes getting healthcare that affordable and easy, why do they need the punitive part?"
Martini, if the bill is going to prevent insurance companies from denying coverage to those with pre-existing conditions, they have to basically require everyone to get insurance. Otherwise, people would just wait to buy insurance until they're sick and need it.
I hadn't made that connection until recently, and then I was like "Oooooh, duh!"
9(Not saying anyone should go to jail, of course. But I can see why they need to mandate coverage if they're going to require that insurance companies accept everyone.)
10It's just so anti-freedom, anti-liberty, it's disgusting.
Gah.
I'm so mad about this provision.
At least with "mandated" car insurance you can choose not to drive. But this mandate, there's no getting around it and that's just not right.
11I can see that point, TS, thanks for clarifying that issue. But it still doesn't make me agree with the jail terms in the bill. I think that is just too much!
12Martini, I totally don't think anyone should go to jail for not having health insurance. It seems to read more like jail is for those who refuse to get health insurance and who don't pay the fine. Isn't imprisonment technically on the table for anyone who doesn't pay their taxes? I'm not sure, but then again we put people in jail for lots of reasons I disagree with.
Weighing the two options, personally I would prefer for insurance companies not to be able to deny coverage or treatment. I can see how theoretically the market should correct insurance companies that are being shady, but as the system stands now it doesn't.
13Sorry, weighing the two options of one, mandate coverage, or two, let the insurance companies continue to deny anyone with a pre-existing condition. I don't think I made that clear...
14The market isn't correcting because it already is so heavily regulated to death state-by-state. So this is definitely nothing to do with markets at this point.
15That bill is more about total control of our economy and our lives then reforming health care. If they were truly about reforming health care they would start by reforming Medicare and Medicaid. If there are hundreds of billions of dollars in fraud and waste in the program, prove your capability of cleaning up that mess first. The government couldn't even manage the HiNi vaccine program effectively, and we are to believe they can expand and become effective?
Medicare/Medicaid is already on the fast track to insolvency, and wait till the baby boomers are all eligible.
Using 'health care concerns", they will end up controlling what we eat, what we drink, what we drive, how we live, every aspect of our lives all in the name of "health care concerns".
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